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Barbarosa
Clubman
posted 12-04-98 09:33 AM ET (US)         
    I have recently started playing CaesarIII, and I found it rather addictive (the same way as its predecessor was ), taking me away from RoR quite often the last couple of days. Now, when I try to go back to RoR, I'm surprised to find that my skills are degenerating (to call it that way) due to lack of practice, and concentration on other game types. What this led me to observe is that every aspect of the game requires the so called "constant nurturing and attention", otherwise it does not develop, or even worse, it starts to wither away. This constant practice does not have to be done everyday of course, but in the intervals there shouldn't be any other games that catch your attention.
    After a while the game becomes part of you, letting you play it rather instinctively on the micromanagement level, and giving you more time to concentrate on your military tactics (which is essentialy a good thing). This leads me to another conclusion, that the best way of mastering the arcane secrets of the Tool Rush, Bronze Rush, etc. is to practice, practice, practice. Thus, the strategies posted around here are just starting points, and by no means THE WAY TO DO IT. Through practice, the player instinctively develops his own strategy by finding out through lots of experimenting what is good or bad, what is efficient or inefficient, what is effective or ineffective.
    In my opinion, at least, the instinct provides you with a much more accurate view than the controlled thought does, as it is unclouded by the foggy effect of the doubt. By using your developed instinct to micromanage your economy (especially at the beginning), you allow your mind to concentrate on matters that need carefull consideration, like the military tactics and strategies.
    In the end, this developed instinct starts to wither away as it is less and less used (as all instincts do), and it should be noted that it is rather fragile and that's why it requires the constant attention mentioned above.
    Now, all this may seem a little too far fetched to some of you, and others may even have trouble trying to understand what I've just said. It also may seem like a sort of addiction, but it should definitely not be confused with that. Constant practice does not neccesarily imply addiction, instead it may imply a need to try and become one of the best in the field .
    As a note, I'm not an expert in human psychology (and that may be immediately apparent to som eof you), and this is all coming from my own experience - which means that it may not apply to everyone.


~Barbarosa~


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Your_Old_Friend
Inactive
posted 12-04-98 10:23 AM ET (US)     1 / 8       
Ax an old goat, lots of work, no free time almost, I can only dream about time to practice...

That's why high-school and college students excel at this. People in later stages of life, with jobs, etc. that reach comparable levels have also had gaming experience from their college days...

IMO, you are right in many counts: to be good you need to train. To train, you need the time.

Above all, you need the competitive spirit required to spend hours just to take off those miser 20 seconds... and then challenging inumerous players just to verify and perfect it...

All for the sake of winning.

And here comes the inevitable question: why do we want to win at this "it's only a game" thingy, and not at more important things in our lifes?...

Hour for hour, minute for minute, I believe the "relative" importance of a game is not consistent with the time we devote to it. Other things in our lifes, maybe much more important, get behind, simply because the focus of attention is not there... not to mention the time taken away from them...

Enough for a psichology treaty, I tell you...

Kleitus, Thump, Methos, Omnivac... Get ready to be interviewed by a team of Sociologists doing research ...

I better quit talking about this addiction now... getting depressed.

I COULD quit smoking over 3 packs a day, abruptly.

I ... can... quit... playing ....hmmm... Age of Empires... argh!... any.... daaaay....

Can I?...


Barbarosa
Clubman
posted 12-04-98 11:08 AM ET (US)     2 / 8       
    Hehe, Your_Old_Friend, I know exactly what you mean . I didn't mention anything about the time taken by the game as I didn't see it fit with the purpose of the thread. But now that you brought it up it would be ignorant of me not to digress on it.
    With regard to why we devote so much time to gaming in general these days, it is simply because we feel the need of satisfying a deeper urge, an urge specific to the human species (if not all animals). Compared to earlier ages when computers didn't exist, we are basicly behaving the same way. The only difference is that instead of fighting others on the battlefield in real life, we fight them in the virtual world that the computers provide us. The need to use our energy somehow, preferably fighting and comparing personal attributes to others, the need to assert ourselves in some way or another, is now expressed through gaming experiences. Of course, we're not really contributing with anything to the society this way, but how did the soldiers that fought in most of the countless wars this planet has seen, contribute to the society. And isn't in fact this contribution to the society a relatively strange concept? Without personal satisfaction (provided in this case by winning some AoE games ), the individual becomes less and less usefull to the society.
    There are also the other problems that need our attention, like family life. Well, how did computer games change that? Hmm, I don't think they changed it in any way. Not everyone plays computer games, and even if they didn't play them, their attention to those other problems would be unchanged. They would be preoccupied by some other activities, like hunting for example (as it was in the earlier ages), and many others. And how do hunting, or chariot racing, or even football contribute to the society? Well, the same way computer games do, by keeping that urge satisfied, and keeping people happy. And when I refer to such activities, I'm not only referring to sports. It could be anything, even programming (especially game programming ). I chose this example as many people here are programmers. Imagine yourself working on this project, spending countless hours trying to figure out the problems, solving them, etc. wondering afterwards what drove you through this whole marathon. Was it because you had a sort of devotion to the society and had to develop this program which would contribute to it one way or another? No! It was because of the above-mentioned urge that needed to be satisfied. You just had to get it done, one way or another, and feel proud of your achievement (the same way we feel after an exciting game of AoE). After this, you'd realize how ignorant you've been of the family matters (OK, maybe just a few people realize it ), and blame yourself for it. Would that stop you next time though? My bet is that it's going to be a hard choice to make.


~Barbarosa~

[This message has been edited by Barbarosa (edited 12-04-98).]

Ender
Guest
posted 12-04-98 11:30 AM ET (US)     3 / 8       
IMO entertainment is the most important thing in your life. Other things are just required to feed the entertainment. I would quit my job in a second if I didn't need the money to survive. I'd divorce my wife if it wouldn't emotionally cripple me. The statement I hate more than anything is 'its just a game, get a life'.

Just what is a life? What do most people do while I'm playing AOE, is it going out to a bar with a couple of friends? Is it going to the movies? Shopping at the mall maybe? Or perhaps its talking on the phone? Watchnig TV perchance? Playing sports? None of these things seeem anymore 'important' than playing a computer game with people online, takes more brain power to play the game and it is a social event as well.

Sure there are other responsibilites but I take care of those outside of playing, they are the same things anyone else does. Its just with my free time I game instead of small talking and doing trivial mind numbing activities. I just don't get it I guess.


Leo
Clubman
posted 12-04-98 12:13 PM ET (US)     4 / 8       
Ender, that was a great post, an idea synthetically and clearly laid out. Lots said in few words - and well.


xShahx
Inactive
posted 12-04-98 12:33 PM ET (US)     5 / 8       
Practice makes perfect. But if no ones perfect, why practice?


Barbarosa
Clubman
posted 12-04-98 01:18 PM ET (US)     6 / 8       
    Hmm, I guess I'll have to try and present my ideas in a more exemplified manner to make it clearer to those who have trouble thinking in abstract terms(not that it's a bad thing). That's exactly why Ender's post seemed more clear to you Leo .


~Barbarosa~


Barbarosa
Clubman
posted 12-04-98 01:19 PM ET (US)     7 / 8       
    Hmm, I guess I'll have to try and present my ideas in a more exemplified manner to make it clearer to those who have trouble thinking in abstract terms(not that it's a bad thing). That's exactly why Ender's post seemed more clear to you Leo . Otherwise he was saying exactly what I've said above(in a more general and abstract format), but with specific examples. I'd like, therefore, to thank Ender for making my unintelligible ramblings clear .


~Barbarosa~

[This message has been edited by Barbarosa (edited 12-04-98).]

aoerana
Clubman
posted 12-04-98 10:18 PM ET (US)     8 / 8       
xShahx Your question answers itself.
IF practice makes Perfect and Noone is Perfect, then shouldn't everybody parctice to be perfect?

Great speeler huh?


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