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Topic Subject:The rookie doth protest too much
Bodia_Boy
Inactive
posted 07-25-99 02:28 PM ET (US)         
Greetings all; Qwik note about an irritating situation I've seen ever since I started playing RoR online a few weeks ago. As much as possible, I stick to rookie games in the rookie arenas -- it's not satisfying to constantly play against vets who wipe me off the map too quickly for me to learn anything from the match.

Yesterday night, however, I joined a 1v1 game against a host who labelled his game as 'Real Rookies Only.' We both assured each other that we were not wringers (sp???) hoping to inflict cruelty on a hapless newcomer. He told me he had been playing RoR for about a month.

The host -- I won't mention his name -- chose Reveal Map; Small Islands; 100 pop limit, with high starting resource levels (ie. when the game started I had about 1,000 food units, and similarly high levels of wood, etc -- see, I really am a rook 'cuz I don't know the RoR jargon for starting with non-default resources). #

Anyhow, the host advanced to tool first, but I managed to go bronze several minutes before him. I loaded a transport w/ vill's to head to a small island that I thought was uninhabited -- by mistake, in the transport I included the 1st two stone throwers I had built from a seige workshop beside my dock. Turns out that when I landed the transport, it was right next to one of my opponent's storage pits, and my STs of course automatically started hurling boulders.

A few seconds later, the host fired off a chat msg accusing me of not being a rookie player, and then he abruptly disconnected from the game -- robbing me of a decent chance at my first 1v1 victory. Weapons-wise, all I had in addition to the 2 STs were 3 or 4 fighting ships and about 6 cavalry -- for all I know my opponent had a huge military force lurking on the map somewhere.

This opponent apparently believed that anyone able to launch an attack before him can't be a real rookie -- a silly attitude. And this is by no means an isolated incident -- in my few short weeks in the zone, I've seen several instances where a game has broken down over similar accusations. There's an analogous situation, it seems, among a certain breed of vets who -- as soon as they start losing -- yanks themselves out of a game after accusing their opponent(s) of using cheats.

It really is a shame, IMO, to see such a wonderful game spoiled by players who can't seem to accept that they can --and will -- be beaten by opponents who are simply more skillful, or more lucky, or both, and who are not using any unfair advantage. Hell, it is just a game...sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If a player can't do the latter gracefully -- and I am guilty of this myself all too often -- then he or she is taking RoR too seriously.

Regards;
Bodia_boy


'Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.'
- Old Muslim proverb


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Don Quixote
Clubman
posted 07-25-99 02:54 PM ET (US)     1 / 10       
An eloquent post, Bodia; thank you. As a newcomer myself, I have also noticed the two trends you described in your post. 'Tis a bad idea, methinks, to base one's self esteem on the results of an electronic game, or any game. "Losing" is ok.

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Whoa, Rocinante!

Hemlock
Clubman
(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 07-25-99 03:41 PM ET (US)     2 / 10       
It's a mighty big step ability-wise when you progress from newbie to rookie.

Newbies tend to underfund their economy by not building enough villies, start by mining gold, simcity with the best of them, and generally can't understand how anyone can get to the bronze age before 40 minutes.

Rookies have usually read some strategy guides, know how to jump start their economy, and can generally bronze by 20 minutes if left alone. From the sound of your post, you fall into this category.

One of the problems is that many people do not differentiate between newbie and rookie. They are one and the same. So when he asks for "real rookies," he may have _really_ been asking for newbies. Another problem is that most rookie's definition of "rookie" is "someone I can beat."

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No other success can compensate for failure in the home.

Hemlock
Clubman
(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 07-25-99 03:44 PM ET (US)     3 / 10       
BTW, I would stay away from medium and high resource games. Better players never play them and you're almost asking your opponent to use the tc bug. (Play "no reveal" if you can find them, but they're pretty scarce in the rookie rooms.)
sixpac
Inactive
posted 07-25-99 05:09 PM ET (US)     4 / 10       
So, how would you label a player that:

Can do all the rushes.
Knows all the civs, units and upgrades.
Knows all the strats.
Can roll in iron.
Can dance, dodge.
Can read the achievements.
Has 6+ months of multiplayer experience.

But still cant win over an expert with equal start, and doesnt seem to get any better? How do you cross the line to be an expert?

Wuzat
Clubman
posted 07-25-99 05:21 PM ET (US)     5 / 10       
what is "rolling" in iron? never heard of that term...
sixpac
Inactive
posted 07-25-99 05:33 PM ET (US)     6 / 10       
heh.. thats a strange translation to english that i use

What I mean is that theres a real difference between stone, tool, bronze compared to iron. In iron the game becomes bigger, more units, more micromanaging, more fronts.. as I see it, theres a certain skill to play iron, its kinda like playing DM.

Duke_oWn
Clubman
posted 07-25-99 09:41 PM ET (US)     7 / 10       
What i do in 1v1's and they dissconnect(happens to me a lot, dont know why ) i go ahead and resign so i can see what they got. If it was a mistake resign i know what they will build so i know what to defend agianst. This is a pretty dirty trick but is great way to rechallenge players.

--Duke--

apocalypse77
Clubman
posted 07-26-99 03:05 PM ET (US)     8 / 10       
Well, I would consider myself CLOSE to becoming an expert (still intermediate tho) and I STILL don't know all the tech trees. Just those civs I use regularly, and not even everything then! I keep the Manual handy for ran-dumb games. Heck, I can't really bronze rush, and I can't really tool rush well, just do some "resource equilsation". Ah well, but I'm starting to be able to 70 villie boom with maybe a 16 bronze! I just picked one major strat, with several ways to modify it (more scouting for a tool attack, little less from bronze attack, only scout by me for defense then attack, etc.). I'd suggest just working on one strat. For example, my Minoan boat booms led me into phoe and shang and really...Palmy boat booms! Shang got some tool rushes going. Etc. it's a building process IMO. GL guys. BTW, I play as sarmis_apoc now if anyone wants to look me up fer a game!
Hemlock
Clubman
(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 07-26-99 03:08 PM ET (US)     9 / 10       
quote:
So, how would you label a player that: <snip>

I would label that player as, "better than me."

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No other success can compensate for failure in the home.

sixpac
Inactive
posted 07-26-99 03:50 PM ET (US)     10 / 10       

I guess theres no 'build-order' for becoming an expert.
Maybe I should go play some SC.

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