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Topic Subject:Need your advise.
posted 05-08-99 07:45 PM ET (US)         
Tell me if you think this is a scam, I got it from a person who's helping me with ROR Haven at the moment.

Hi everyone! I normally do not send this stuff, but this one looked

This may or may not be something you'll be interested in but... A
friend of mine emailed it to me today and I decided to sign up because
Clark Howard has talked about this on his show. He is receiving $20/month
from them, which he uses to pay for his monthly internet access fees - so I
figure, why not? We've all witnessed how the Internet is changing the
rules of the game. Well a bunch of Stanford Computer Science PhDs are
changing the way advertisers pay to reach consumers. Throughout time,
advertisers have paid anyone who can aggregate a large quantity of people.
TV Networks, Radio Stations, Magazine and Newspaper publishers, whoever
can do it. The consumers, who advertisers are paying to reach, never get a
dime of that money. These guys are changing that. They're essentially
going to "unionize" consumers, so that consumers get paid by the
advertisers, not the companies who aggregate those consumers. This idea
is so simple that it's crazy. Please keep reading. I know you think I've
lost my mind, but keep reading.

This company is called *******, address is
Link deleted

Here's how it works.

It's completely free to participate. You don't have to buy anything,
you don't have to sell anything, you don't have to change your web
usage. If you go to their site and sign up, you'll have to enter you
name, address, and the member number of who referred you. [That's me,
Member ID# *******] You probably won't need to use it if you click on the
link above.

You'll get your own Member ID number, and you'll soon be sent a
little file to download, which appears as a long thin window that'll be
open below your web browser. In this window will be a standard online
advertisement, a rectangular banner like the one's you see on most
web sites. You can open it or close the window whenever you'd like, but

for every hour you have that window open, you'll get $0.50. Up to 40
hours a month, so you could make $20 a month. Nice so far, but that's
just the beginning.

The good things are that you don't need to be over 18 to get this!!! And to
the more people you send this message the more money YOU will get.

They are doing a pyramid payment plan to create a model where
everyone is getting everyone else to sign up. Remember, it's completely
to participate, and you can always choose whether or not you want the
window open. They'll pay you 10 cents for every hour that a person
you refer has this window open. For anyone those people refer, you get a
nickel for every hour. For everyone they refer, you get a nickel
also, and so on for 4 levels. This will generate big money for people
who get in early.

Let's say everyone has 10 people who joined entering their Member ID
number. And let's also say everyone has this window open for 10 hours
a month. You could easily make over $50,000 a month! Here's how.

--You're on the web with this window open for 10 hours a month. 50
cents an hour is $5.00 --The ten people who were referred by you have
it open for 10 hours a month, that's 100 user-hours. 10 cents per hour
is $10.00

--Each of those 10 refer 10, that's 100 people, each on for 10 hours
a month, that's 1000 user hours. 5 cents per hour is $50.00

--Each of those 100 refer 10, that's 1000 people, each on for 10
hours a month, that's 10,000 user hours. 5 cents per hour is $500.00

--Each of those 1000 refer 10, that's 10,000 people, each on for 10
hours a month, that's 100,000 user hours.
5 cents per hour is $5,000.00

--Each of those 10,000 refer 10, that's 100,000 people, each on for
10 hours a month, that's 1,000,000 user hours. 5 cents per hour is

That's it. $55,565.00 per month. Just for getting 10 people to sign
up and put your number in as who referred them. And if you get more
people, you make more money. There's no limit. They're counting on
the fact that you'll get tons of people. There are over 50 million
internet users, and many have multiple PCs. People who get in early,
could literally retire.

It's so simple. ******** is paying 80 cents for every hour a
user has this window open. (50 cents to the user, 10 cent to whoever
referred them, 5 cents to the person who referred them, 5 cents to
the person who referred them, 5 cents to the person who referred them,
and 5 cents to the person who referred them). Every 20 seconds, a
different ad rotates into the window, so 3 ads every minute, 180 ads
every hour.

If they can sell the 180 ads for more than 80 cents they're instantly
profitable, and they'll be able to sell the ads for more. That's it.
That's the whole thing. If they sell $10 million in advertising,
they'll distribute $9 million or so to the users, and keep the rest.
Everyone wins.

Companies who rely on advertising spend a lot of money to attract an
audience, and build and staff a product. *********** is just going
to pay you as a valuable consumer and reward you for attracting an
audience. I told you it was simple.

Why not? It's completely free, and you can make a lot of money,
finally getting paid for advertisers to reach you. It doesn't effect
or interrupt your time on the web, you still spend the same time surfing as
you always have, the same way you always have, the same sites you always
have. The only difference is that you can have this window open below your
web browser if you want to, and you'll get paid for it. And if you tell a
lot of people who also sign up, you'll get paid even more.

Just sign up at Link & member ID deleted. You probably won't need to use it if you click on the link above.

No matter when you sign up for this, you'll make some extra money.
But the people who sign up earliest, will make loads of money. People
are probably going to get very creative about how to tell as many people as
quickly as possible. Some people may rent out e-mail lists and send it out
to thousands of people at a time, or mention it in chat rooms or user
groups. Others are spreading the word on college campuses and
internationally. Who knows?

Igor, and in the SW Universe known as Luke Skywalker

MA_Reeces: This sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me also. If so, it is illegal. Whether illegal or not, it's a commercial venture - which we all agree not to post about when we sign up in this Forum. So, I deleted all the links to the promoter. OldGrex, who herewith no doubt loses some "coolness points."

~Reeces ROR Haven MA website
I am and can be contacted at ICQ # 24654921

[This message has been edited by Angel OldGrex (edited 05-09-99).]

posted 05-08-99 08:55 PM ET (US)     1 / 8       
I remember someone telling me that this was a scam, however I don't remember why it was a scam....
posted 05-08-99 09:42 PM ET (US)     2 / 8       
Even if its true the ~50,000 dollars is ONLY for those who get in at the VERY top, 10 to the 5 is 100,000 people, you can't have very many of those because there aren't anywhere near that many people on the internet willing to do this, typical pyramid scheme only 5 ppl really rake in the bucks.... Though if I had a large monitor I certainly could see doing this, not with my 13" viewable though...
Boneser again
posted 05-08-99 10:00 PM ET (US)     3 / 8       
The simple answer is because if it sounds too good to be true then it most definitely is.

Just ask yourself where is all that money going to come from? Advertisers? At that price, I think they would rather advertise on the Super Bowl. How do they plan to pay you? Just send that $ 50,000 check in the mail every month?

And you lost me on that middle example part. Thats a pyramid, plain and simple. What I don't understand is how if no one is paying out any cash, does all that money trickle down to you? And do you honestly believe someone is willing to pay you $ 50,000 to sign up 10 people and have a window open for a few hours?

Ever hear that saying "a fool and his money are soon parted". Don't let this be one of those times.

Best of luck anyway. If nothing else it should be a learning experience.

posted 05-09-99 04:55 AM ET (US)     4 / 8       
This is DEFINITELY a pyramid scheme. You need to look no further than the idea of tiers - moving up to make more, etc. I don't know about the law where this is based, but by and large, these scams are illegal.

When you see *****like this enticing you into get-rich-quick profits, delete/discard it immediately. It's a sucker play - those "on top" are getting rich - true enough. They started it, so they haven't paid into it. Those in the middle might even have made back their investment, but it took a LONG time to get there, and that money could've been invested elsewhere, already earning interest.

You would be on the BOTTOM, making NOTHING.

Don't give it another thought.

(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 05-10-99 00:50 AM ET (US)     5 / 8       
While this may look like a illegal pyramid scheme, I don't think it is. The difference is that this one doesn't cost anything to join. It's just another way for advertisers to get their product in front of you.

Here in Seattle there's an isp that offers it's services for free. In exchange, whenever you log on to this isp, there is an ad window that shows up and is always on top. This is just a variation on that; instead of getting free internet service, you get some cash.

It will be interesting to see if this business model pans out. You have an easy way to make $20/month, but I doubt you'll make much more than that.

the King of Jazz
posted 05-10-99 01:43 AM ET (US)     6 / 8       
oh man, don't believe that jive...if it were that simple, i wouldn't have to play the Copper Hill Country Club every Thursday nite. that's horsefeathers my man, you don't get something for nothin'. there already is a consumers union anyhow, and it does not follow that particular design.
posted 05-10-99 01:55 AM ET (US)     7 / 8       
I agree with Hemlock, there is no initial investment here. The money is coming from advertisers, so I don't know if they are getting ripped off or what. This is not really a pyramid scheme so it MIGHT be legal, but certainly is inappropriate for an AOE forum:-)


Sergei_Makarov aka LoST_nFound

posted 05-10-99 02:06 AM ET (US)     8 / 8       
I have signed up for this but did not take the time to introduce it to my friends. I don't really know if this $$$ is true, but it does exist. So far I have not been spammed yet, so I guess it's OK. I signed up like a month ago.
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