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Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 01-17-99 12:09 PM ET (US)         
You wanna know why Hittite is most everyone's favorite civ? Because ES was stupid enough to make them too powerfull


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Indigo
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 11:33 AM ET (US)     26 / 44       
25 Egyptian CA's vs 25 Hittite CA's? the egyptian wins. however, no decent egypt player would simply use CA's. Chariots, camels and priests are necessary to make an egyptian bronze army complete. I am trying to use chariots more, under the intention of getting SCs within 2 minutes of hitting iron. That can be truly devstating to any enemy player. But the bronze war shold jst be avoided by egypt, instead you should focus on getting those scythes as early as you can, you *will* need them vs a hittite.

I don't suggest we get into a fight over who is more powerful, hittite or egypt. They are *very* close, however, in an ideal situation, unlimited gold, unlimited wood, unlimited food, the hittite will eventually overcome the egyptian forces (ae's, sc's, ha's, cents, ea's, *hcats* vs scythes, ea's, war eles and priests?)

Yesterday i got into a game, 1 vs 1, egypt vs hittite. no bronze skirmishes (thanks to my walling in and towering all economic outposts

During iron, the game was highly contested. Although there was only one skirmish, it showed just how egypt can force stalemates on hittites. My scythes attacked a force of ca's and cats (siege workshops near my base). They were defeated. but his focus shifted back toward my base. at that moment i attacked the outpost with another force, war elephants, ea's & scythes. brilliant technique. the war eles take in the damage while the scythes close in for the kill. i wiped out 3 of his 6 cats. my ea's were going down, so i sent another force of scythes from behind the cats. the cats were knocked down, the siege workshops torn apart and the towers dust thanks to my ea/war eles.

However, this was merely a battlein a huge war that was about to begin, unfortunatley, i got dropped. But i'm sure it could have gone on for hours more. why?

Ever try to take out a hittite on *defensive* with any civ? trust me, a determined hittite will give you one hell of a time. And i have yet to come up with how egypt can handle a hittite with walls, guard towers, cats behind the walls, ha's, ca's outside of the walls.. too much.

So, if ES is gonna tone down ANY civ in RoR, I suggest it should be hittite not shang
Perhaps removing coinage, and preventing them from getting guard towers would help?

[This message has been edited by Indigo (edited 01-19-99).]

hydarnes
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 11:39 AM ET (US)     27 / 44       
thorfinn, you must think I'm crazy you think I'm going to attack with my priests in the bronze?

yes the hittite might inflict the Egyptian Ca pretty good, but at least the egyptian will win. and you also forget that the Egypian Ca are going to micromanage too

and I'm not stupid to send my CA against your ST, I'll send my chariots.


I could go on and on but I've gotta go.


Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 12:04 PM ET (US)     28 / 44       
Allright Thorfin, you're right about the curve radius with the compys. But it still has been proven that compys do good vs. ST's, and they don't necesarilty have be in an exact curved radius to do the job. Just make sure they are spread out efficiantly enough so the damage area of the ST's don't inflict as many comps, as it would if they were bunched up. And remember, Minoan has more units to help out besides composites!!!!!


postapokalyptic
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 12:15 PM ET (US)     29 / 44       
Hydarnes, you are quite entertaining. Its amazing how off you can be. But Im not going to sit here and constantly prove your horribly incorrect statements to be exactly that. Instead, I implore everyone to let this poor boy believe in his precious Egypt and leave it be, less he plague us until AoK comes out with even more incorrect information.


hydarnes
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 12:23 PM ET (US)     30 / 44       
you know what is entertaining is that you say that I'm incorrect but i'm not. and you know what proves it, it's because you can't tell me.


hydarnes
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 12:32 PM ET (US)     31 / 44       
your wording postapaliptic sounds so sweet, and so stupid. give him an aplause clap clap clap


hydarnes
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 12:40 PM ET (US)     32 / 44       
and also postapokalyptic, why don't you talk to angel Omnivoc, let's see what he has to say about egypt


hydarnes
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 12:56 PM ET (US)     33 / 44       
and also just to make this clear, I'm not saying Egypt completely rules Hittite, I'm just saying Egypt is the best weapon against hittite. that's all


Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 04:05 PM ET (US)     34 / 44       
This thread is taking a turn for the worse. If anything of substance is said from here on out, someone wanna let me know? I might check every once in a while, but it has gotten to the point it's not worth my time.


Keep your stick on the ice.

Patamon
Inactive
posted 01-19-99 04:40 PM ET (US)     35 / 44       
Lysimachus,

Ender and the other Hittite lovers just dont get it. Minoans RULE over Hittites. Time and time again I have defeated the Ender strategy. Its so damn easy to kill those Hittite ST's. Like you said, you dont bunch up the Compies, you spread them, either in line or cresent moon formation, secondly you always have a few Cav waiting off to the side to rush in. Nothing like the sound of the Hittite ST Crunch effect.

Why am I so confident that Mins rule over Hittites? (At least til Iron), Because I keep kicking the butts of very good Hittite players over and over and over again with Minoans.

This is not to say the Mins are the end all be all Civ in ROR. I still have problems with the Stone/Axer 'Maimin Matty' Rushes, that fortunatly only a few players have perfected. But if you take Shang outta the loop, The Minoans gotta be one of the top 3 for 1.vs.1 play with standard settings.

My 2 cents.

- Patamon


Sting
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 06:47 PM ET (US)     36 / 44       
well guys I dont know how to break this to you. Egyptian CAs BARELY win over hittite CAs. If you dont believe me test it in the scn editor, egypt CA wins with 3 HP over hittite CA, which is the same as one shot. So egypt wins by ONE shot. Thats all, unless egypt has nobility and the hittite was too stupid to research it too, or vice versa.

If you send in chariots, I will make more CAs and more camels. Egypt may stand a chance, but overall I still dont think they can "wipe the floor" with hittite.

As for you hydarnes, you need to settle down. Post everything in one post next time

And ask omnivac about what? Cause he plays egypt we should ask him? I play egypt all the time, and I can say that in a good number of my games I woulda done better with hittite. Thats a conclusion reached from someone who plays from both sides. 25 Egypt CAs vs 15 Hittite horse archers and the hittite wins, so


Elijeh
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 07:05 PM ET (US)     37 / 44       
Once again the *Genusis*(Sp?) At AoEH ASSUME, that hittite is the greatest civ out there. Personally i think hittite blows eggs. why? NO Options. and don't give me diverserfied units BS. I know the average hittite player is gonna use CA and ST. and on a med map he's gonna be using those kick arse WG. Problem is, he's WOOD DEPENDENT. WTF? Wood dependent? How? Gee look all his bronze units(except cavalry and camels, which hitters has no advantage with) are gonna be using Wood: STs, WG, Ca, and FB(fishing boats).this means should a hittite player not have walls up, and he has boats, your best chance is a combined Naval-Land assult. First FIND his woodies. if their near the sea build some Light tanasports(1 will do if your using cavs or camels, 2 if your using CA.) Use only MOBILE units for this. Come in with your WG, Kill his boats(or try) while striking his woodies. to kill his woodies off will cripple his bronze power. Now any civ can beat hittite. Minoa does a damn good job(of course their Sts have that HP bonus) with compos... Use composite bowmen army...Massive armies. with your superior Minoan econmy(more FB and WG than hittite) means a better ocean dominance, which on mediterrian or continetal maps is critacal. so don't give me this BS about hittites Being "Overly" dominant in RoR. shang is still the only "overly" dominant civ.


mud buddha2
Inactive
posted 01-19-99 08:28 PM ET (US)     38 / 44       
hi everyone. now, i personally don't like hitte, but i must admit they are the 3rd or 4th best 1 vs 1 (behind shang, phoen, rome, and minoan if it's an extremely water based map) however, most of the times hitte should be able to beat minnie. this is because the wheel is a must get, while the improved and comp upgrades are completely military. the traditional game between hitte and minnie should be both guys camel fight, then the hitte can get CAs while the minoan still needs to reserch improved and comps, since only idiots don't get wheels. So, the hitte can wheel out CAs b4 the minoan can wheel out comps, and win the battle. comps make a good counter to hitte CAs, but not when the CAs are in decent number.minnie will get more ships than hitte, but never underestimate those +4 range hitte war galleys. besides, as i said earlier, hitte should be able to beat minnie in early iron, and take woodies out, and thus minnie loses the seas.

as for hitte being wood dependent, well, that's kinda stretching it isn't it? i would personally love a civ to be wood depent, and not gold depentdent like minnie (no CAs or chariots) because wood is so much easier to get. Also, hitte are not "wood dependent." the only unit they don't have in bronze that costs gold is comps, and hitte doesn't really need those.


FanatiC KaBaN
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 08:51 PM ET (US)     39 / 44       
Ummm.... what are we discussing here? Just hittite in general? Or what? Didn't we already go through all this stuff?

If ES made this game historicaly based, Then Egyptians are their biggest rivals. Also Babylonia fell to Hittite and later Assyrians where causing trouble... So try this 3 civs and report back here

But... i have to admitt... Hittite rules Iron.. only Greeks can beat them in iron


kibi
Inactive
posted 01-19-99 09:48 PM ET (US)     40 / 44       
minoa can't beat hittite, but i won't comment on that anymore. imho, shang simply dominated hittite. u can tool rush with slingers and bowmen or axemen and still bronze at the same time most slow civs do. shang can outboom hittite and have 15+ more vils and boats and still bronze with the hittite. the full complement of bronze units and techs give shang the counnter. shang must strike in tool and early to mid bronze and do some damage or the hittite st's and ca's compel a stalemate until iron when it's over for shang. but shang could iron jump and have ha's everywhere at the 24 min mark followed by sythes a little later on. any comments on this idea will be appreciated.

kibi

failure is the stepping stone to success


hydarnes
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 09:50 PM ET (US)     41 / 44       
you forget sting, that you'll have 25CA vs 8Ha, cuz you get Ca in bronze so

I don't care if Egyptian even win with 1hp, at least they still win


Ender
Guest
posted 01-20-99 08:11 AM ET (US)     42 / 44       
Well first off I'm not a hittite lover, I almost never play hittite. I usually play random civs, if I don't do random and its any civ I'll usually use phoenician, if its slow civs only I'll use choson or on a water map Minoan.

As for composites against stone throwers, I don't care how much you spread them out, the stone throwers, if you get a large number of them win. I don't just use 2 or 3 stone throwers, I use 7-10, and I don't just use them, I back them up with some sort of ranged units.

I never said composites aren't good, I just said they were overrated. I think chariot archers and comps are pretty balanced, in a straight up fight comps win, but comps are slower, and not nearly as good at killing villagers. I've never lost a game to comps, you almost always can run from them, however I have lost games that I had to relocate and that probably gave the other player the edge that won the game for them.

I've played a lot of good minoan players and beat them, I've played a lot of good hittite players and beat them, I've played a lot of good egyptian players and beat them, once the game reaches iron 75% of the winning formula is the person using the civ, only 25% is the civs units. Any civ can be beat in iron.


[This message has been edited by Ender (edited 01-20-99).]

armagedn
Clubman
posted 01-20-99 09:07 PM ET (US)     43 / 44       
Rome is my fave civ, easy.

Why? Well, the Romans roam. Their legions are always on the move. And when Romans are far from home, conquerin' the Macedonians, Eyptians, Carthaginians, Greeks, et al....

I'm back in Rome, helping their wives cope w/ their absence. Yup! Gotta love dem Romans!


Sting
Clubman
posted 01-20-99 10:35 PM ET (US)     44 / 44       
This thread is so politically incorrect not even bill maher would attempt to poke it with a 10 foot pole


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