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Topic Subject:Multiplayer games on Zone
JRohn
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posted 04-07-99 05:19 PM ET (US)         
I was wondering if anyone knows of any 3rd party programs that are used with AOE/ROR and multiplayer games on the zone.

Let me mention an example:

Last Sunday evening I was hosting a game on the zone, there were 6 green players in the game, and I launched. Ok so I go through the multiplayer settings and setup the game. The rest of the players join the multiplayer setup screen. All of a sudden, my computer freezes for about 10-15 seconds. Sometimes my computer hesitates a few seconds when people are joining, just so they sync up. This is normal(I think). Well, this 10-15 second freeze was different. Then I see one guy type a message in the chat area: "the Host has a different version" His friend types, "the host has a DSL connection and a P2-450". Then they promptly leave. Well I have never seen these 2 before in my life.
It was obvious to me, that they were using some program is examine my computer. I am sure that is what caused the 10-15 second freeze.

What I want to know is why/how/who/where/what program they were using to know exactly what my connection was and cpu type was!

Can anyone help??

The 2 guys were: DJSmack and Macmanphy(something like that)

Any 3rd party net monitors you know of that do this?

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Hemlock
Clubman
(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 04-15-99 09:30 PM ET (US)     1 / 5       
This thread has concerned me since I first read it. I've been doing checking with people I know but haven't found anything definite yet.

Were you running any other apps at the same time? Many common internet apps are not very secure. In particular, I have heard that ICQ has some backdoors that make hacking into your system fairly easy.

Do you have a name brand computer? Here at work, we have apps that allow you to do hardware queries over the network. My understanding is that these apps are generally specific to a computer brand and are often "undocumented" or unofficial.

I'll keep asking around. No one wants strangers poking around their hard drive.

OldGrex
Clubman
posted 04-15-99 11:40 PM ET (US)     2 / 5       
I've got another question -where the heck was the sysop? Are they on the lookout for anything besides the 4 or 5 "dirty" words? Seems to me the chat you saw ought to have set a sysops' hair on fire. I presume they can try to run a back azimuth on a sniffer, or whatever this was, if they can catch it live.

I have no standing to do what I suggest next, since I wasn't there, but I would encourage you to file a report to the Zone SysAdmin (Stormbringer?), and would also recommend you suggest a change to the Zone user agreement so that people who use sniffers and the like can be gagged, banned, reported to their ISP, etc.

JRohn
Inactive
posted 04-16-99 10:36 AM ET (US)     3 / 5       
S_Hemlock:

Thanks for responding. I have been looking for a program that does this, just to know more about what they were doing. The closest thing that I have seen is called Net.Demon from www.winfiles.com. That does have a monitoring utility for the web addresses that you are surfing or connected to. Then you can use it to resolve an IP address. I tested this once, and it didn't work all that well when people were joining my game as I was host.

I have built my own computer. I had no other applications running besides AOE and Internet Explorer 4.01 with sp1.

The sysop wouldn't have been able to do anything they did this from the game setup.

Hemlock
Clubman
(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 04-16-99 02:50 PM ET (US)     4 / 5       
From the brief description of Net.Demon that I read, it didn't look like there was anything in it that Win98 (I assume that's what you're running?) doesn't already support. Getting a host's ip address is pretty simple. It is conceivable (but improbable I think) that they deduced your connection by pinging you or tracing the route. More troubling is that they were able to do a hardware query without your consent.

Another possibility is that they found a hack for IE. That could explain the "different version" comment. You didn't say if it was RoR or AoE. If you were playing AoE ver 1.0b or RoR then that comment stands out as curious.

I'll keep digging when I have time.

OldGrex, my understanding is that there's really no way to detect whether a sniffer is running over the network. Is this wrong?

[This message has been edited by S_Hemlock (edited 04-16-99).]

JRohn
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posted 04-17-99 11:53 PM ET (US)     5 / 5       
This was an ROR game.

I think, that the different version comment, was about my network bindings. They are different for DSL and Dialup networking. I have an ethernet card, dialup networking uses a modem.

somekind of sniffer could have been used. they resolved my ip address to the # then ran a sniffer trace. possible, but they would have had to work very fast


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