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RomanWahoo
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posted 03-30-99 08:27 PM ET (US)         
how do you attack. everyone focuses on the openings, and i think i've got mine down to a fairly competent level. banshee said i was at least intermediate, so there's my skill level. however, the only thing i can do with fairly any skill against experts is boom. I can get Berry King to testify to this. What i'd like to know is how do you attack? what units to send in first, what units to save, what units to build first, prep stuff, etc. 40 vils, 15 minutes on a good watery map is beginning to be not a problem for me, and most of the time, i still have enough res after my two tool buildings and bronze button to build one or two scout ships and hit the woodcutting upgrade. after that, i'm at a complete loss. my military skills are just horrendous...i'm even tempted to say that my 5 cavs vs someone else's 5 CA's will die . okay, maybe not quite that bad, but everyone focuses on the opening, never the middle game, so i thought i'd open up a thread for this.
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ROR_Doink
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posted 03-30-99 08:39 PM ET (US)     1 / 5       
It seems we may be at opposites. I feel I am a competent fighter, but sometimes my early games down right sucks. ;-) I think the most effective attack is a attack from many different units. Camels and cavalry work great with chariot archers behind them because it makes you think what to go for. If you go for the cavalry, then the chariot archers will eat you up. If you go for the chariot archers the cavalry will get you. That, to me, seems to be very effective. Another thing to keep in mind is your civ and the opponents civ. If possible, you definintly want to use your strong point, ie Hittite Heavy Cats, Phoe Armored Dumbos, etc., but you must also keep in mind what your opponent is attacking with. I watched one of my friends play two weeks ago in a 3v3 and he was Phoenician and one of the enemies was Hittites. They were both Iron, and my friend kept building dumbo after dumbo, and the hittite guy never lost any ground. Eventually, after about an hour and a half, he ran out of gold, and started building chariots, what he probably should have done in the first place. Dumbos are just to slow to reach cats w/ballista. Chariots are fast enough and cheap enough where you can have lots and even though some may die before getting to the cats, the majority would get there and wreck havoc on the cats. It is a good idea to scout the enemy b4 you send in your army. Send in a lone chariot archer or scout just to see what he has, and adjust your attack from there.
Jehu
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posted 03-30-99 11:15 PM ET (US)     2 / 5       
Hi RomanWahoo

After getting killed off by our Phenician enemy the other night I resigned and watched for a while. One thing I noticed was you went heavy on the compies but I didn't see any STs, cavs, camels, etc. Our opponnets were using a mixture of military units ---particularly STs, compies, and camels. I wanted to chat to you right then and say, "Diversify".

I don't know if that is normal for you, but it would help to have stable units and/or your own STs with your compies to take out enemy STs. Combined arms and responding to your enemies tactics by changing your own when necessary would help.

We all have people that we admire as players, and Stooge_Fright usually amazes me when I have teamed with him. His middle game is (or was) to get a consistant, strong 15 minute bronze reagrdless of civ, field a potent bronze force, and attack first one then another enemy hopefully forcing a relocation. Then he turns his attention to almost all economy for a few minutes and aims for a strong 25-28 minute iron.

He then goes for what ever iron units best suite his civ and compliments his ally's civs. He doesn't stop at balistas but goes for Helops for example, and if he towers he for balista towers (if available) or doesn't tower at all. All the while he is taking up more of the map and sucking up all the resources possible---food, gold, and stone. I am not very good at mimicing Fright, but I consider it a very good middle game strategy for most game settings.

I'm thoroughly impressed with how well RajunCajunBoy spreads out over the map in the 3v3s I've played with him. Being able to spreading out that well, that early is a skill that has escaped me in team games even though I'm conscious of the benefits. But I think he needs to diversify military units a little too. I've noticed an over reliance on compies with too few supporting military units in the games we've played together. I love compies, but If I know that's all you are using I can counter them pretty easily given enough wood and gold for STs.

I hope my responses don't offend you or RajunCajunBoy, because they are certainly meant to be helpful. All from a guy that got his tail soundly kicked in our game together the other night.

Jehu

Bolshi_Basci
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posted 03-31-99 04:23 AM ET (US)     3 / 5       
Hi all,
I think the openings have been well covered and that widely available knowledge and the queueing features means that it is often much harder to determine who the great players are earlier in the game. The late game monster battle or "deathmatch phase" comes with experience. This makes the middle part of the game, as you rightly point out, the ripest area for development.
One basic point I would make it don't stop expanding your economy. Keep building peons looking for new resources just as you have been so successfully up to now. A good players economy grows exponentially until it hits the population ceiling or at least 70-80% of it. What to do at the same time depends on the circumstances and the civ. If you have Shang, phoenecian, Minoan then the pressure is on. You have to make your advantage count and you have to do it quickly. Is there a threat , do you need to secure your economy? Do whatever that takes then attack, you have to hurt your opponent before he reaches his dominant timeframe. Do your teammates need help? It is very rarely the right tactic to sacrifice a teammate or his land simply to buy yourself a little time.
If you have a strong iron civ, particularly Hittite or Roman or Sumerian, then build whatever is required to defend safely till iron or assist at short notice (I regard iron jumps as too risky) and then go for that iron. But make sure your economy is strong enough to provide you with all the upgrades and enough units to actually have an impact when you do iron.
Bolshi_Basci
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posted 03-31-99 04:30 AM ET (US)     4 / 5       
As for military skills, firstly, as a basic rule of thumb the later you attack the more units you need to attack with. So while 2 cav at 13 minutes makes quite an impression they are unlikely to do so at 20 minutes.
If you feel weak at controlling your military go for archery units, they are easier to control. I went a year at AOE never building melee units at all. Only random civs and the SC cured me of that. Remember the doctrine of concentrated fire. Knock out the enemy units one at a time rather than spreading your fire and shorten the odds. Use elevation, it makes a lot of difference. Catch the enemy coming through choke points. Get the range and armour upgrades, it all makes a difference.
Oh and btw play several thousand games....
Most of the experts have.

RomanWahoo
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posted 03-31-99 11:15 PM ET (US)     5 / 5       
hehe jehu i was running super short on wood...had just enough to build another tc, that was it. peons died. really annoyed me too that my forward base got killed. i forgot to drop another stable, and the catapults were hurting. i did manage to push the persian out of his town, but had to pull back to defend against the other two. there was no way to finish them. i use min compies as my start...i use ST's later to take down buildings. i use my compies to slaughter the villies first. that game was horrible though. i had no food, couldn't get my compies fast enough. it was just all-around bad
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