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Topic Subject:It's bound to happen to everyone.....
posted 03-30-99 10:00 AM ET (US)         
No, I'm not talking about retiring.

I'm talking random ally games. (CD is correct (see GX forum)). Last night when I got home, I hopped into the Zone and found S_Hemlock. After we looked for a game to jump in, I decided to create one. Hemlock had some problems, and got disconnected when the game launched. I waited for a while, then tried to get in a game with eug1. Unfortunately, he was just about to start one. Wanting to play at least one game, I saw a set team waiting for two players. It was a giga map, medit, pop 150, speed 1.0 (yes!). As soon as the game starts, my ally chats to me "Pepperoni Pizza". Cheats were not enabled. Later he typed in "Reveal Map". This same guy had a villager high of 8 and tooled at 29 minutes. I would have been fine if I hadn't decided to click iron moments before a bunch of Minoan Compies visited and galleys found my five docks. I was so frustrated about my ally, that I didn't even try to rebuild my town. I tribed him all of my resources and GGed everyone. I'm actually suprised that I didn't trib my attacker at the end. What can you do though?

Down with EverQuest!!

[This message has been edited by Scarab (edited 03-30-99).]

(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 03-30-99 03:22 PM ET (US)     1 / 16       
Sorry about that Scarab. Don't know what happened, but it took me 10 minutes and a hard reboot to even get back on the zone.

Unfortunately, there will always be the group of people who have to play the game with cheats. Fortunately, they generally lose interest in the game quickly when there's no challange.

I had a similar (but not as bad) experience when I finally got back on. My teammate and I were getting hammered badly on a highland map. One opponent had dropped and we were able to harrass the other enough to keep it interesting. We had been deprived of all the gold so were using our bronze units against his post iron. When I finally researched writing (at about 45 minutes!) I saw he had built himself 15-20 scouts.

"Nice scout army" I say.

"Scout? What's scouts?" he says.

"Scouts are carpet stains when they meet cats and ha's" I'm thinking. He was friendly and we chatted the whole game so I didn't mind all that much. Plus it was clear we were both overmatched in this game.

I agree: "Down with NeverQuest!"

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posted 03-30-99 03:54 PM ET (US)     2 / 16       
I played my first RoR game just the other day. I found a 3v3 Highland Gig Def game. Not knowing RoR beyond what I have read, I went with Hittite for comfort. I was grey, with my teammates being yellow (in the pocket) and green.

The other team was blue (next to me), red and brown. I Tool and Bronze raided my neighboring enemy's economy sufficiently to set him 20 minutes behind. Red and Brown were hitting my ally in the pocket pretty hard, so I diverted my efforts to his defense.

The game goes on and yellow and I continued our seesaw with the 3 opposing forces when we both realized that Green was not only "ok", but hadn't fired a shot yet. Fortunately, my yellow ally was a good player and fun to play with. He communicated well and was where he needed to be. Unfortunately, the Red and Brown players were both very good and Blue was good enough to become a threat again (Red did a great job building his advance camp with Blue to protect him).

After about 2 hours, we started losing ground in the attrition war, but Green was still silent as were his guns. Then he broke out with a token offensive that was stopped at his crossing. He resigned without a word or tribute.

Not long after that, Yellow had to go to bed (understandable). I held out for about another hour, but ran out of gold. Neither of my partners had built docks and Red destroyed his dock when I tried to establish commercial relations there.

Anyway, while the player who played Green is certainly one of those random partners that should be tattooed with warnings, I was over that when it become obvious we were playing a 2v3. The remarkable part was that the other team started talking smack when they had me down to 1v3. I didn't think they were worth pointing out that I had killed 670 of their units and the highest any one of them killed was under 350.

I feel your pain.

After all, it's JustAGame

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posted 03-30-99 03:58 PM ET (US)     3 / 16       
Don't worry about it S_Hemlock. We'll get some games in before the EverQuest monster consumes every ROR player. It sounds like you had a good game, I mean team, even in defeat. I guess that I'm being a poor sport about this, but jes! The timeline was fun to look at after I pulled the plug on myself. I don't know if I'll be on tonight, If I am, I'll look for a game with/against forummers. It's almost more fun to play against some one from here than to ally with them.

Rock beats Scissors, Scissors beats Paper, Paper beats Rock

JustAGame sounds like you had quite a first game!

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posted 03-30-99 05:59 PM ET (US)     4 / 16       
Ah feel ur pain.

Assuming you were in Quirinal, this brings up the correlative question to the "Why aren't the Rookie rooms for Rookies" thread: Why don't raw newbies play in the rookie rooms instead of Quirinal?

Another question that begs to be asked is why did you opponents allow your newby ally to live long enough to tool at 29 minutes? I would have gobbled up his real estate had I been them. Hmmmmm?

I remember a game I played with Andyhre many months ago. It was 2 v 3, Andy and I against 3 others in an intermediate room inland game of AoE. One opponent was as bad as your ally. We agreed to let him live while we edged in on his resources as needed and attacked his more competent allies. After about 45 minutes of game-play with some great battles, our little tool age opponent hits my woodies with a scout and two axers. Much to my surprise he researched armor and attack upgrades so my villagers couldn't club them to death. I sent 2 horsearchers over and silenced the tool age threat.

I guess you had to be there, but it was hilarious at the time.

posted 03-30-99 06:05 PM ET (US)     5 / 16       
I'll bet he had "Tool Rush Guide For Dummies" open while he was playing, and kept referring to it.

He was probably thrilled that he had finally mastered the art of tool-rushing. He's probably telling everyone that those horse archers were cheat units....

See ya on the zone...

posted 03-30-99 06:30 PM ET (US)     6 / 16       
hehe, that's funny man. A Scout and two axemen with the research upgrades! You know, when I was a newbie, I used to only get 8 vills and was totally useless to my team. I remember ALWAYS researching the tech upgrades. My logic was, instead of researching them later, I should do it now and get more bang for my buck. As of today, I haven't researched ANY armor or attack upgrade from the Storage Pit except Leather Armor for Archers. Am I wrong in doing this? Should I get more/less?

I love pets 'cause they taste so darn good!

posted 03-30-99 07:36 PM ET (US)     7 / 16       
Hey Scarab!
Thanks for the invite I believe I should have taken you up on it. But, I was at my girlfriend's house on her pc and I did not have my friends list on her pc
Anyway, the game that I played in did not sound too much better than yours. It was a 3v3 huge inland. As soon as we start one ally starts yelling for help and going on and on and on with the taunts (for at least the first 4 minutes!) I was at 1:00 and allies were at 3 and 5. (5 was doing the intimidating ) Me and neighbor built decent defense while I tool archered one enemy trying to rush. When tauntboy starts calling for help I sent a few cavs to see what was up since he would not reply to our queries...I saw like 400 Minoan compies! There wasnt too much I could do except pray that he could slow them down or our other ally could help him, alas, neither was meant to be. I eliminated the enemy that tried to rush and shortly after another dropped. Our poor ally then dropped with a nice "f*#$@ both of you" so I guess I other ally did not help either. I started up the other side of the map to catch Minoan from backside and it worked. He began complaining of 3v1 when it was actually only 2v1, but hey he stuck it out so kudos to him for that! Anyway, I guess I should have tried a little more to help him but I did not have that great of a start and I did not see what help I could actually do. The taunts kind of bothered me too
I will try to get on tonight, but I have to work early in the morning but I definitely would like to play with and learn a few things from all of you guys!

"I wish I was as good as everyone else!"

(id: S_Hemlock)
posted 03-30-99 08:00 PM ET (US)     8 / 16       

As I've recently graduated from newbie to rookie, I feel it is my duty to impart my newfound wisdom upon you. (Note that tongue is firmly planted in cheek.)

What sp upgrades you research depends on what units you are utilizing and what strategy you are planning. If you are tool rushing, get at least the armor upgrade of whatever units you are using followed by toolworking if using clubmen/axers.

Usually, if I live long enough, I end up getting all hand-to-hand attack, archer armor and cavalry armor upgrades. I generally ignore the infantry armor and shield upgrades because I rarely use infantry units.

posted 03-30-99 08:16 PM ET (US)     9 / 16       
hey SCARAB ..look me up next time you are on i would love to meet some new people and like to play with all of u guys.. whats your name? mine is XxDECIMATORxX


Cherub Sting
posted 03-30-99 08:20 PM ET (US)     10 / 16       
Well, when tool rushing with clubmen, dont get really is a waste of food. Use clubmen, and get the armor upgrade first. Always get infantry armor when club rushing, otherwise your clubbers are not a whole lot better than his villagers. The attack upgrade is optional, only get that if you think he is going to be attacking with his villagers, or you are going to wage a big tool war with him.

Archer armor is not necessary in many of my games, and some ppl have asked me "why didnt you get archer armor"...well, probably because the other guy never made a single stable unit, so what difference would it have made? archer armor does NOT protect against other archers attacks!

For cavalry, definently get the attack upgrade if he is using archers, because stable armor doesnt protect against archers attack...unless he uses cavs or camels dont get armor on your cavalry. I guess if you are sending one cavalry into a large group of villagers the armor is a good idea, but otherwise, its pretty much worthless against archers, except make the cav look better

posted 03-30-99 10:04 PM ET (US)     11 / 16       
Alright, after giving this some thought, here's what I came up with. These are just some thoughts...

Axers- no armor, you shouldn't even have Axers to begin with.

Archers- possibly, if cav are eating you up.

Cavalry- no, unless camels are coming your way, in which case YES!

Infantry- see axemen.

I love pets 'cause they taste so darn good!

posted 03-30-99 10:43 PM ET (US)     12 / 16       
I almost always upgrade to axemen when i tool rush, mainly because they make cooler noises.

Sometimes you just gotta do whats most aestically pleasing. Ok i spelled asteicatlyy really wrong, so sue me.

posted 03-31-99 11:23 AM ET (US)     13 / 16       
Which upgrades should you get and which ones are a waste of time and resources. Big question that will get it's own thread (after I respond here)

Jehu Yes, the game was in Quirenal (if it was in a rookie room I would have understood). Also, my opponents were toying with him I think. They weren't afraid of his 107 score. Blue (minoan enemy) had a scout sitting untouched smack dab in the middle of my ally's base (I noticed after I resigned).

Decimator, I'll look you up in the zone and add you to my friend list. I use a number of names, lately it's been Saint_Rhombus, but I might start playing with APC_Scarab this week. People might be able to link the second name to me a little easier!

Rip_Tide_99 No infintry upgrades?? I take it that you don't use Rax units.

Cherub Sting I agree with the 'no axe man' policy. I personally prefer slingers to clubmen for a tool rush. They're cheaper and IMO more effective. You're right about the armor if you use them. One more point, why not always get the attack uppgrade for cav's?

eug1 I'm not sure which ally I'd rather have. I can't stand people who taunt constantly. Kurtiebird and I were in a game where this guy taunted constantly and paused the game saying he wouldn't unpause unless someone allied with him. Kurtiebird instantly chatted to all, lets team up and take him out. He dropped soon after. It's a great feeling when an ally bails you out though. *big sigh of relief* type feeling.

last but not least
Under_Seige I like the sound that SC's make, second to AE's attacking!

Too many retiring

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posted 03-31-99 02:50 PM ET (US)     14 / 16       
Well,back when I was a real newbie, instead of a rookie, I played one 2 vs 2. One opponent dropped, and I was thinking - easy game. Wrong. My ally was something else. Never said a word, would not respond to my typing, and, get this, STAYED IN THE STONE AGE, BUILT HUGE ARMIES OF CLUBBERS, AND SYSTEMATICALLY KILLED ALL THE ELEPHANTS ON THE MAP!! I don't know what he was doing. He resigned, I think after he caught a glimpse of the enemies armored eles thunderint into my base andd dying to masses of legions and heles.

Now, regarding upgrades. I always do the trireme upgrade, and all the woodcuting/wheel. I also do coinage, small wall, and watchtower. I do tool attack and armor for my camels, and ALL the armor for my minoan compies. You would not believe how cost-effective this is. The other player is usually flooding me with ZIPPO upgrade heavy cav, cav, scythe, which barely dent my archers with their armor, and so they win. I do only infantry armor, and maybe the axe upgrade, if I am attacking in tool or stone.

If I"m playing against a minoan, i do stone mining for slingers.

Also, ALWAYS do fishing boat. That, and writing.

If you're doing a wonder, or towers, architecture is worth it. Seigecraft is VERY worth it. 4 vills can take out two sentry towers - like for a roman tower rush - and there are still two left.

I usually do nobility for my camels, and alwyas alchemy, engineering, and ballistics for heles. that's about it. No farm upgrades.

posted 03-31-99 05:53 PM ET (US)     15 / 16       
I may have to try a clubman rush, I've always viewed them as Sumerian Villagers (40 HP and attack of 3).

I always tool rush with axers, and usually I get the Toolworking and Leather Armor unless I'm low on food, then I'll lean toward the armor.

I don't understand how a slinger rush can be useful, maybe someone could explain. Sure, I might take a couple of them along to neutralize bowmen, but why attack villagers with them?

Looking forward to some more great zone games with y'all.

"Down with Everquest, go AOK!"


posted 03-31-99 05:56 PM ET (US)     16 / 16       
Check out NoSoup4U's guide on slinger rushes. 'Nuf said.

Keep your stick on the ice.

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